On this episode, Ryan sits down with Jordan Harbinger Host of The Jordan Harbinger Show which was awarded “Best Of 2018” by Apple Podcasts.

On This Episode:

  • Jordan talks about what life was like prior to getting involved in podcasting.
  • Hear how Jordan started his career as a lawyer which led to podcasting.
  • Ryan and Jordan discuss the evolution of podcasting.
  • Jordan shares what the future of podcasting looks like.
  • Get the keys to learning how powerful podcasting has become for entrepreneurs.

Key Takeaways:

  1. Mastering your strengths opens doors to opportunity.
  2. Podcasting is on its way to replace Radio.
  3. Networking is the key to success in podcasting.

Tweetable Quotes:

  • “This is a talk show that has international appeal.”
  • “When you have a podcast you control the needs of distribution.”
  • “Podcasting is going to become a billion dollar a year industry.”

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Ryan: You’re listening to Episode 28.


Jordan: Hey, this is Jordan Harbinger of the “Jordan Harbinger Show” and if you want to start a home based business, you should be checking out, “The Home Based Business Podcast” with “Ryan Allen Bell”. 

Intro: You’ve seen the future; you know where your life is heading. But you know you haven’t taken the right steps to get you there. Welcome to, “The Home Based Business Podcast”, where we believe the only way to future proof your income is to create a plan to build a successful home based business. It’s time to create a life of freedom, security and impact with your host,” Ryan Allen Bell”.


Ryan: Hey, welcome to the show. I’m your host, Ryan Allen Bell. I believe the only way to achieve true freedom is to future proof your income by creating a plan to quit your job and start a home based business. In this podcast, I’ll be diving deep into everything home based business related and interviewing thought leaders in their space who are creating successful home based businesses. So, if you want to learn the new way of business, if you want to develop the mindset and skills to get you from where you are to where you want to go, then you’re in the right place because this is, “The Home Based Business Podcast”. Today we are with Jordan Harbinger, Jordan is a wall street lawyer, then turned interview talk show host and a communications and social dynamics expert. He has hosted a top 50 iTunes podcasts for over 12 years and receives over 7 million downloads per month making the “Jordan Harbinger Show” one of the most popular podcasts in the world. On the Jordan Harbinger show, Jordan deconstructs the playbooks of the most successful people on earth and shares their strategies, perspectives and practical insights with the rest of us. On today’s podcast Jordan and I go deep into his story and how he got into podcasting. We talked about how podcasting has evolved over the years and what the future of podcasting looks like. 

Now, before we jump to the episode today, if you thought about starting your own home based business, or you’re currently working on a home based business, but haven’t fully figured out how to achieve the level of success you desire, have me and my team help you out, head over to ryanallenbell.com/workwithme, to learn more, and we can hop on a quick call to see if we can be a good fit to launch a home based business for you. That way you can achieve the freedom you truly desire in your life, that’s, ryanallenbell.com/workwithme. Hey, what’s up guys, today is a very special day. I’m actually with a living podcast icon Mr. Jordan Harbinger Jordan, what’s up, man? How you doing?


Jordan: Hey, thanks for having me on, man. I appreciate it.

Ryan: Yeah, of course. So, before we actually get into like the meat and potatoes of the podcast, I really want to share with my audience, really what’s possible if you guys decide to go after your goals. So, when I first got into podcasting, last year, when I first heard about podcasting, about three years ago, yours, Jordan was one of the first podcast I came across. And I was like, well, like this is world class content, this guy is talking about like high level stuff. And I was like, this is inspiring. And so, on my entrepreneur career for the last few years, as I heard your podcast and other podcasts out there, that pretty much was a catalyst to inspire me to start my podcast. And so, I just want to paint a picture for those listening, it’s like fast forward three years to me hearing about podcasting. Here I am sitting with one of the guys I looked up to three years ago when I first started podcasting. And so, my message for that is just like, whatever your goals are, as long as you take action towards them, anything is possible. So, I just want to set the stage for you Jordan.


Jordan: Yeah, thanks for that. I appreciate it.


Ryan: Yeah, I know, for sure, I love it. So, I really want to go into your story, Jordan, I want to kind of paint a picture of like, who were you before you became an entrepreneur, like what led to you having like an entrepreneurial mindset, entrepreneur like spirit. So, kind of like, let’s go back to you as a kid, like, who was Jordan back in the day, like elementary, middle, High School.


Jordan: So here are the podcasts to listen to, I started off pretty shy. I started off as a shy kid. And it was not fun at all, obviously, I felt like now I think they would call it social anxiety where I was like, oh, my God, people are looking at me, people are probably going to make fun of me, today, which now I realize is Middle School for every kid pretty much. And I also started getting in trouble, not because I wanted attention or any of that stuff. It was more like, oh, this is so boring. And I can’t pay attention to it. I’m going to learn stuff on my own on podcasts to listen to. And 2020 hindsight, that actually was quite entrepreneurial. Like my teachers, I remember a lot of teachers saying, all he’s doing is he’s messing, he brings in electronics, and he disassembles them, and then there’d be other teachers that go, hey, are you disassembling an electronic device? And I’d be like, yeah, why aren’t you paying attention? I don’t know, I’m just really interested in this electronic device. And they’d be like, okay, go to the back of the room, and you can keep doing that. And I’d be like, what, really, and I disassemble the whole thing with all the parts out. And then I remember, like programming cellular phones in high school. And there would be teachers that are like, you’re not allowed to have a cellular phone in high school. And then other people would be like, wow, you’re programming a cellular phone in high school. So, it was really interesting, because school was sort of, I realized at that point, it was kind of like this governor, this limiter that was not necessarily good for me. And now I’m a big proponent of education being individualized because I realized now looking back I go wait a minute, if I was so dumb, like Mrs. so and so and so and so thought then how come I was getting straight A’s and B’s for classes? I ended up going to one of the best law schools in America, I ended up starting a business and you know, a multi seven figure business that I run in my freaking pajamas at home. Like, I’m not this dumb kid that everybody thought I was, not everybody, sorry, but half the teachers thought I was. 

And then I look back at those classes. And, you know, I talked to my mom and I go, what was I like, as a kid? And she goes, Mrs. so and so was so dumb, she thought you plagiarized all your essays. Now let’s see how to listen to podcasts. And I was like, yeah, I remember teachers being like, you plagiarized all your essays, and so, I’m failing you. And my mom would go, I was there when he wrote this in the kitchen with a pencil, he didn’t plagiarize this, because the teachers literally said, this is too good, it was not written by your kid, it wasn’t written by any middle schooler. And I just remember going, this is such bullcrap. Like, when I try hard, I get punished, because there’s no way I’m smart enough to do well. And if I don’t try, I’m punished because I didn’t memorize like the verb table for this French verb that I’m never going to use, you know, so I just thought school is such a load of crap. Let’s see how to listen to podcasts. And then as I got older, like I said, I started getting in trouble, because I was like, hey, there’s this thing called the internet, where my learning is essentially limitless. And there’s no parents, and not that my parents are bad, there’s no supervision, and there’s no teachers going, oh, well, we’re not going to show you that. I remember learning how to make like a bomb with dry ice, you know, that’s every kid’s favorite thing. And I remember going to my science teacher and going, we’re going to get dry ice. And she goes, and at this point, I’m like, I’m like, 13, okay, too old for her to talk with ratios, we’re going to have to ask mom and dad about that, because that can be dangerous. And I go, yeah, I’m literally going to make something explode with it. So, I don’t really need you to, like, tell me about it, I’m just going to go to the convenience store and ask, and she’s like, no, they don’t have it at convenience stores. And I was like, they definitely have it at convenience stores just by your reaction. 

So, I remember getting into trouble doing stuff like that, and programming cellular phones with other people’s phone numbers, and then using them and then like, showing my science teacher, and he would be like, wow, this is really good. You know, you should be in our gifted and talented program, and then getting sent to the principal’s office by like the next teacher, because she’s like, you’re disrupting the class, which I wasn’t doing, she just thought that having a cell phone was against the rules. Let’s see the most listened to podcasts. So, I was always pushing against the rules, I was always learning on my own. And I was always constantly being told either that I was like, not going to be successful at anything. And that I was also simultaneously way too precocious, smart, whatever to be in the class with all these other folks. So, it was really confusing for me as a kid. Luckily, I just didn’t listen to anybody, and I just kept doing my own thing. And you know, I constantly had to work outside the system, in order to get to where I was. And that’s why I’m kind of digging the idea of a home based business podcast, because I’m thinking, you know, not everybody has to go to a cubicle, and work or an office and work, you know, I used to be an attorney. And that was like, the job, you know, is that or doctor, that’s the top notch job. Here are the most listened to podcasts. And I was a finance attorney on Wall Street, I had a freaking mahogany, or maybe it was fake mahogany desk, you know, I had all kinds of cool stuff in there, in Manhattan, in a skyscraper with Windows. And, you know, it was kind of like, I don’t really need this, this is just the top, this is the best of the system, but I’m still in the damn system. And so, I talked to my lawyer buddies now, because of course, you know, going to law school, you still know those people. I talked to a lot of those guys now, guys and gals, for that matter. And they’re like, you figured it out, you left law while you could. And some of my friends learned the best way to who are still lawyers, they’re lawyers at Google or something like that. But nobody stayed at the firms where you make the big bucks. And I’m thinking, you know, I sit around in, you know, if you’re lucky, I’m wearing basketball shorts. And if you’re not, you don’t know what’s going on down here on a zoom call, right. And I’m interviewing billionaires, like smart, brilliant entrepreneurs, from Malcolm Gladwell to the founder of Instagram to Charles Koch, which is not everybody’s favorite guy to you know, all these Kobe Bryant was on the show, like, I get to sit down and have conversations with these people. And if I were a partner at the law firm right now, which would be tough, I’m 40. But you know the best way to, if I was a name, say I had my own top notch law firm in Manhattan, I’d be making about the same amount of money all day, I’d be working like 120 hours a week. And instead, I read for 40 hours a week, I work an additional 20 making phone calls and doing stuff. And I hang out with my kids and wife all day. And I’m like equally compensated, but I’m doing stuff I love. And if I don’t want to do something, I just like don’t do it. 

So podcasts to listen to on android, a lot of the system is created for people, because, and I don’t mean to be insulting by this, but it’s going to come out that way. The systems that are in place from jobs, companies, schools, they’re designed so that the lowest common denominator of person, human can get risen up like one or two notches, and that people who are exceptional, they get hammered down a couple pegs. And then later on, maybe they bubble up to management through the organization, or even get towards the top. But on android there’s nothing that says you know what, this is America, autocracy go for it. SiliconValley tries to do that, but even then once you get big, you corporatize. And you end up with people who leave to start their own startup because even the rules inside some place where you sit on a bouncy ball chair are too strict for them. And I realized now that like the reason I never thought what I wanted to be when I grew up, and I was never satisfied was not because I’m a bad student, and I’m unemployable. It’s because I didn’t belong in the freaking system in the first place, you know.


Ryan: What I love about what you said, its kind of reminds me what Jim Rohn talks about, it’s like self-education is the key because we’re born into the system, right? And you realized right away, it’s like, oh, this isn’t for me. Like free, I’m already thinking outside the box, you get access to the internet, you realize you have access to all this information. So, let me go down this path where I could self-educate myself, and just kind of see what happens from here. So, maybe you could share like, when did you first start like becoming an entrepreneur with all this information that you start learning? Like what was like one of your first entrepreneurial ventures? And yeah, totally, like–

Jordan: Yeah podcasts to listen to on iPhone, one of my first entrepreneurial ventures was actually, so I got the internet in like 93, and actually, it was America Online. But if you opened up Netscape, which is brand new, at the time, a web browser, for those of you who might not even know what that is, if you open up Netscape, you can surf the web. And I was like, oh, there’s the web. What else is there on the internet on iPhone? Like is the web just the internet? Because that’s what it looks like now. And I had a neighbor who was really into this stuff, and he was a little older than me. And he’s like, no, there’s all kinds of things, there are libraries and everything. So, I was using, like text interfaces, before there was even Netscape, whatever 1.0 to go into the World Wide Web and something called gopher, which was like a library network across the United States or across the world, actually. And so, I’d find these chat rooms where there’d be like I.T people from Israel, US, Sweden, Denmark, UK, I’d be chatting with them. Those are all adults, I’m 13, nobody really knew, there weren’t avatars people would be like, oh, are you a kid? Because I’d start talking about something. And they’d be like, what? Alright, they’d say something like, yeah, something, adult topic. And I’d be like best, I don’t know anything about that, and they’d be like, what are you a virgin? And I’m like, yeah, I’m 13. And they’d be like, oh, my God, sorry, you know, like, stuff like that. So, I grew up a little bit faster, being around that sort of internet culture that was kind of Uncensored, but I also had access to information like crazy. 

So at work, I found a stock service that would provide quotes, I don’t know, something like Bloomberg, but it probably wasn’t back then, I don’t really know what it was. You had to pay for it, but I found out that there were ways that you could just get in without paying for it. I mean, it wasn’t super secure. And one of my friend’s dads was a stockbroker. And podcasts to listen to at work I said, how do you get stock quotes, if you don’t use the internet? And he goes the internet, no, they mail us packets of stock quotes, but I also use telex or fax machines. So, they would like fax every day, where your America Online and your Ford Motor Company stocks were and if you bought stocks, he would put in a trade, and he would fax it to a trading desk somewhere in New York, I guess. And I said, what if I could just get like, up to the hour stock quotes for you. And he’s like, well, it’s not really possible, although I can request via telex or fax. And he’s like, but it breaks, and it doesn’t work or it’s slow. And so, I printed off the stocks when his stuff didn’t work. And I printed off stocks when his Listing Service, like didn’t have that or whatever, he would just tell me what to get. And I would do print screen on the screen from this stock service, print it off, get on my bike, I put it in my Trapper Keeper, don’t forget, get on my bike, haul ass to his office, which was like a 15, 20 minute bike ride away, drop off the papers. And he would give me like 50 or $100, per week, not every day. And my parents were like, what is going on, you print something, and you rush off to the main road downtown. And you come back with, like, you could work a full time job as a kid and not make that in a week. Like what are you doing? And I told them, and they just didn’t even understand, but they were like, they called him, he’s like, no, I’m getting stock quotes. My dad’s like stock quotes. Great where to. So, I’m showing my dad how to get stock quotes online, he can’t do it himself, it’s really complicated. But I just kept doing that for a while and people were like, dang, you know, you’re killing it. And where to what’s funny is, everyone goes like what did you do with the money? I bought fireworks with it. And I flipped them to kids in my class, because kids couldn’t get fireworks and we had a cottage up north. So, I go up north hand the neighbor’s money, come back with 50 buck’s worth of fireworks, sell them as smoke bombs, for three bucks each or whatever, instead of 25 cents. So, I always had hustles going on, like little small time bs hustles.


Ryan: I love this so much good. And I think this is a great segue to talk about podcasting because your passion for self-education allowed you to find the internet and from finding the internet, you’re like the whole entire world is going to grasp my hand, and that’s where you start earning all this extra income. So, when does podcasting start coming to play for you? 

Break: This is exactly the kind of topic that we’re constantly talking about in our Facebook community, the home based business community, it can be really hard to find a community of like-minded people who are working towards similar goals. If you want to join the conversation there, it’s absolutely free. So, head over to, ryanallenbell.com/community and click the Join button.


Jordan: So, when you’re a lawyer, you have to do like an internship kind of, we don’t have to, but you spend the summer before your real job doing a law job on, at the time on Wall Street, or in London, I did both. And they basically wine you and dine you and they pay you like 30 grands for the summer, you know, and you’re just like, this is great, easy money, pay off some loans, whatever. And they try and convince you that the job is worth taking, which is great. I don’t know if it works that way anymore. And I decided that things to do while, I was not really smart enough to be an attorney, or so I thought because everybody was really brilliant at these firms. And then I was like, well, if I outwork everyone, that worked for law school, but on Wall Street, everyone’s working like 100 hours a week, sleeping under their desks, you know, so there wasn’t really a way for me to outwork those people because there wasn’t enough time. And then I thought, okay, what’s the secret to getting to partner and one of the partners told me, oh, you got to learn to bring in business, you got to learn to bring in business to the firm and I was like, how do you do that? He goes network, I go, what does that even mean? He’s like, you know, just be cool, man, make friends, you know, keep in touch with people. And I was like, that is so nonactionable. What does that even mean? So, I started researching psychology networking sales, I started taking all these classes for that, you know, Dale, Carnegie this and learning annex that. And I put together this little curriculum for networking. And in law school, they were big on networking, but they didn’t teach it. They basically just said, you got to network, you got to network, you got to network, and their version of networking was like, make some at home printable business cards that you hand out to people, like these are going to get thrown out there like garbage, inkjet, smeary, cardstock, crap, no one’s going to call this kid and like, hire him, that’s not real networking, that’s like lip service. 

So with podcasts to listen to, I started teaching my friends networking, and it kind of got around to the Career Services office that I was teaching networking stuff. And they were like, why don’t you just teach the class? So, I started to teach these informal networking classes, and nobody cared. Like, even my guy friends are like, dude, no one cares, you got to just be, you got to just be like, work, put your head down, work your way up the corporate ladder, be cool, you will make a network and I’m like, oh, how’s that working out for you? You know, like, I know things to do while, fifth year associates that don’t know anybody outside the firm, all they do is work, this is not a network. So, I started to teach this class, basically to like five women, because though they realize the value, one woman is generally better at relationships and social skills. But two, they were thinking, okay, if we’re going to go work on Wall Street, which is like this old boys club, and I’m like a Muslim female, I might need some skills, or you know, not even a Muslim female. That was just one of the women in the class, but like a random woman right, there just thinking, it’s an old boys’ network, I need all the help I can get. So, I started teaching that. Half the time the door was locked, there’s no air conditioning in Michigan law in the law school. So, it was hot as hell. And I said, you know what, the hell with this, there’s five of us, four of us half the time, let’s just go to the bar, we’ll have a drink if you want. Muslim girl always had a, you know, something that was not an alcoholic, if I recall correctly which is kind of funny, because we were like this weird, eclectic group. And we would go in there and I teach this class. And then it eventually turned into me reading the body language of people that were around. So, it would be like that couple over there, they’re not a couple their friends, this couple over there, the guy likes her dinner. So, I’d be reading body language about dating and relationships, and the women were like, this is so interesting. So, then more women started coming to my classes, and then guys would go, why are you here with nine or 11 or 15 women every Tuesday and Thursday, like who are you, what’s going on? I’m teaching a networking class, but it’s really kind of dating and relationships, then it started to blow up. And I realized that if I give a talk on like a Tuesday, and this is informal, we’re sitting at a bar drinking at a table. If I’m giving a talk on like a Tuesday, then I come back on Thursday, and there’s three new guys because the guy who was there on Tuesday told two of his friends to show up or three of his friends to show up. I got to repeat myself. So, I started burning my talks to CD, I was recording them using like a Sony MiniDisc player or something like that. And then it would bring the thing back to my room and burn it to a CD and I’d give the CDs away and then the guys wouldn’t give them back and I’d say okay, these are five bucks. And then people went, okay, I need like eight then, and I was like, what would you need eight for? This is a deposit, and then I’ll see you bring it back. No, my roommate wants one, I want to give one to my brother. And I went, I have a product here. So, I’m going to charge 20 bucks for it, but I’m not going to get rich selling $20 CDs. 

 So, what am I going to do here? And then I decided, well, coaching is the way to do it. And I’ll charge for that. But I need to get this knowledge into people’s heads for free. And there was no way to do it. There was no way at the time to upload an mp3 file to the internet. And then a friend of mine said, hey, new thing, podcasting. You know, it started earlier this year, 2006, whatever, just upload your files to a server, and then people find you in iTunes. And everyone was using iTunes, in law school, and I said, Great. So, I started uploading my talks with my friends or whatever, to iTunes. And then we started getting downloads from all over the world, because we started telling people in Arbor, Michigan about it. But then it was like South Africa is downloading, Germany’s downloading, and I remember thinking this is an error. And then we said, hey, if you’re really in South Africa downloading this, how did you find us? Email me. And so, people would email and say, yeah, I found you in iTunes, and I burn them to CDs, and I drive around this game Park, because I’m a game warden in South Africa, or somebody would say, yeah, I listen to this on my jogs, you know, or whatever. And so, I was like, this is a super powerful medium, this is not just like a library or bar class that I’m teaching. This is a, like a talk show that has international appeal. So, I’m just going to lean into this. And I started doing that, and then I started my wall street job. And then I ended up as a guest on a Sirius XM Satellite Radio Show, and the station manager just happen to be listening. This is where those luck things started to come into play. And he came down, he goes, this is really good, we should have you back. And I said, I have a podcast. Do you know what that is? And he goes, yeah. And I said, here’s a card with the podcast name on it. And then I came back to do a guest spot on that show, like two months later, and I went up to his office and said, hey, I don’t suppose you’ve had a chance to listen to this podcast, because I have, you’re pretty good. I go, yeah. So, like, I’d love to be a guest on any shows on this network. And he goes, why don’t you just do your own show on this network? And I said, so my own Sirius XM, well Sirius only at the time, my own Sirius radio show. And he goes, yeah, so he put me on man. And then I was like, well, I’m loving radio. And I’m moonlighting as a radio talk show host and a lawyer, and I’ve got my podcasts, and I just was like, this is great, I love it. So, I’ve never stopped podcasting, even when I stopped doing the radio, I kept going with the podcast. And during the time of the radio show, I just kept doing the podcast, too. I just did in both. And it’s lucky because when you have a podcast, you control the means of distribution.

Ryan: Yep, I love that so much. Because your need for that networking skill set at your job, just allowed everything to unfold. And that just the timing of everything is impeccable. From CDs, to podcasting, to radio, and your kind of just took off with it. And now here you are, fast forward years later, and you have won the biggest podcast in the world. So, I really want to go into, for the guys listening, because, guys, listen, they’re either in a position where they’re really thinking like, hey, I want to start a home based business. Maybe podcasting could be a great platform to start a home based business, get a medium, like get my voice out. Where do you see the future of podcasting going from this point, for let’s say, like the next five years, what’s your insight with that?


Jordan: Well, it’s funny, because people asked me this, like three or four years ago, and I was like, you know, there’s going to be Spotify and cars, where there’s going to be data and cars, everyone’s like, I don’t know about that, now look, every car has data, there’s touchscreens, and Tesla’s things like that. So, podcasting is going to eventually replace radio, it won’t completely do it, because, areas with poor data service and people, some people like their radio shows, whatever, but it’s going to take like 90% of the market share away from radio, it’s already starting to do that largely. And the idea of that, but, first of all, podcasting, I think this year or next year, is going to become a billion dollar a year industry, which is actually kind of tiny, but still really big in terms of absolute numbers. But that shows you like, hey, this thing has legs, and some of the biggest ad dollars are now going into podcasting. There’s still so much radio spend that goes into radio, because podcasting literally doesn’t have the numbers to take all of the money, which is a great problem to have, like radio competes for dollars. podcasting says, oh, you wanted 10 million impressions, our whole network doesn’t even do that, sorry. So, then brands like Ford go, well, I can’t deal with this piddly stuff. So, once you see mega shows, start to really come on the scene, like, you have armchair expert, you got Joe Rogan. We’re working hard to get there, like we have 7.4 million downloads a month too, so that that’s a lot. But there are radio shows that have hundreds of 1000s of impressions per day, huge morning shows in New York and things like that. But if those markets aren’t getting any bigger, podcasting isn’t geographically limited. So, that’s a huge factor, which results in Mega shows that can really span the US, Canada, Australia, the UK. So, we’re going to see more and more big winners in podcasting. I think even today, Spotify bought megaphone or announced that they were going to buy a megaphone and the biggest deal yet, which allows them to really grab some, there’s a lot of things that probably don’t matter for the sake of your podcast. But basically, Spotify is like really entrenched, they’re really going to expand rapidly, they are expanding rapidly. And they’re making a lot of investment in the space. So, it’s kind of exciting, because podcasting has been waiting for this moment for 15 years. And now it’s finally the time where people go, there’s big money to be had in podcasting, literally billions later on down the line. And the infrastructure is just starting to get built. And it’s great to see that, because that rising tide lifts all boats in podcasting. And also, I’m doing my best to surf the wave as much as I can. And really, scale this scale, the show, scale “The Jordan Harbinger Show” up as big as I can.


Ryan: Yep, I love that so much. So, let’s switch gears a little bit. So, I have a belief that the only way to achieve true freedom is to create a plan to quit your job and start a home based business. I believe that’s how we start and develop true freedom. But I want to get your perspective for the audience. Do you believe that the only way to achieve true freedom is to create a plan to quit our jobs and start a home based business and why?


Jordan: I don’t think you have to quit your job. I think a lot of people like their jobs. I don’t want to rush people out of their job, because there’s this whole sort of like idea of like going all in, and, I think it’s a little unhealthy. That’s just my two cents worth, you see Instagram influencers, be like go all in, burn the ships. And I don’t really believe that, because I think if you start a business, you should start while you’re fully employed so that you can make a ton of mistakes. And you’re not like, oh, so, I’m homeless now, you know, like, I can’t feed my kids, you should be making mistakes and going, wow, that cost me $3,000, and I got nowhere, well, I guess I won’t take my super fancy vacation. And we’re just going to have to go up north to the cottage instead, right? Like you should be making those choices. Most people think, oh, I can’t run a business unless I quit my job, and that’s really normally not true. People quit their job, and then they’re screwing around on social media all day, and they’re making little video edits. And then they’re like, guess, I’ll go engage on Twitter, you know, like they’re doing that stuff, and it doesn’t make any sense. You should only quit your job when you’ve hired an outsourced everything that you can outsource so that you don’t have to do it, find out where the bottleneck is, and you have to be the bottleneck. Right? If it’s like you’re consulting, and you’ve hired other consultants and you’ve hired an assistant to book you and make sure that your stuff is straightened out, then people are still trying to hire you for more hours than you can stay awake and do your job, then you can quit your job, because then you’re the only thing standing in your way. But if you quit and then you’re out there looking for clients, because you don’t have any, that’s a terrible place to be. And unfortunately, that’s where a lot of like these influencers recommend people put themselves and I personally, not a conspiracy theorist or anything, but I think a lot of these influencers want people to quit so that they become desperate, and then they have to pay for the stupid mentorship program, because they’re screwed, and I like to help people. And I’m sure you’re the same way, I like to help people because they want my help, not because they’re desperately trying to feed themselves and they have no other options, I don’t want clients like that. Wow,


Ryan: I love that. So, Jordan, your time with us is incredible. I loved hearing your backstory and really painting a picture of the future of podcasting, because I believe podcasting is here to stay, it’s going to be something that’s going to be around for decades. And you know, I really want to get your show out there. So, for the guys listening, what’s the best way to get in touch with you? Maybe they want to learn more about networking, they want to listen to show, where can people find you at?


Jordan: Sure. Well, “The Jordan Harbinger Show” is my podcast, Jordan Harbinger. I would love it if people found me there, if you’d like anything from entrepreneurship to mafia enforcers, we got it all. And I’m at Jordan Harbinger on Twitter and Instagram and people can always hit me there I’ll answer everything.


Ryan: Wow. Love it. Jordan, thank you so much, man. Appreciate you coming out today.


Jordan: Thank you, man. Thanks for having me. 

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